{"id":8158,"date":"2020-10-07T18:37:13","date_gmt":"2020-10-07T18:37:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/noi3.org\/site\/?p=8158"},"modified":"2020-10-07T18:37:15","modified_gmt":"2020-10-07T18:37:15","slug":"cateva-intrebari-simple-pentru-autoritati-inainte-de-a-da-vina-pe-populatia-care-nu-respecta-regulile","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/site.noi3.org\/?p=8158","title":{"rendered":"C\u00e2teva \u00eentreb\u0103ri simple pentru autorit\u0103\u0163i, \u00eenainte de a da vina pe popula\u0163ia care \u201enu respect\u0103 regulile\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/adevarul.ro\/assets\/adevarul.ro\/MRImage\/2020\/10\/07\/5f7dc8af5163ec4271a82c30\/646x404.jpg\" alt=\"C\u00e2teva \u00eentreb\u0103ri\nsimple pentru autorit\u0103\u0163i, \u00eenainte de a da vina pe popula\u0163ia care \u201enu respect\u0103\nregulile\u201d\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Raed Arafat, Guvernul \u015fi Comitetul pentru Situa\u0163ii de Urgen\u0163\u0103 ne avertizeaz\u0103 c\u0103 urmeaz\u0103 cel mai probabil noi m\u0103suri de lockdown, deocamdat\u0103 la nivel local. \u00cen timp ce autorit\u0103\u0163ile, o parte a presei \u015fi unii influenceri dau vina pe popula\u0163ia care nu ar respecta m\u0103surile de protec\u0163ie, pe \u201enega\u0163ioni\u015fti\u201d, Avocatul Poporului, chiar pe \u201ereligio\u015fi\u201d pentru cre\u015fterea num\u0103rului de cazuri Covid. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mai \u00eent\u00e2i \u00eens\u0103 un articol din The Telegraph intitulat \u201eThe case for lockdowns is littered with dangerous logical fallacies\u201d \u2013 <strong>argumentele \u00een favoarea lockdownului sunt pline de erori logice periculoase<\/strong>. \u201eMini\u015ftrii au ignorat regulile de baz\u0103 ale \u015ftiin\u0163ei \u00eentr-o \u00eencercare disperat\u0103 de a demonstra meritele noilor restric\u0163ii\u201d, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/2020\/10\/03\/case-lockdowns-littered-dangerous-logical-fallacies\/\">scrie The Telegraph<\/a>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S\u0103 vedem \u015fi p\u0103rerile unor exper\u0163i \u00een boli infec\u0163ioase de la Harvard, Oxford \u015fi Stanford care semneaz\u0103 o scrisoare deschis\u0103 \u00eempotriva lockdownului, publicat\u0103 pe unherd.com. \u201eCei care nu sunt vulnerabili ar trebui l\u0103sa\u0163i imediat s\u0103-\u015fi continue via\u0163a \u00een mod normal\u201d, scriu Dr. Martin Kulldorff (Harvard University), Dr. Sunetra Gupa (Oxford University) \u015fi Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (Stanford University Medical School). \u201eCea mai uman\u0103 abordare de a echilibra riscurile \u015fi beneficiile c\u00e2nd vrei s\u0103 atingi imunitatea de grup, <strong>este de a le permite acelora care au un risc minim de deces s\u0103 tr\u0103iasc\u0103 \u00een condi\u0163ii normale<\/strong> pentru a-\u015fi cl\u0103di imunitatea \u00een fa\u0163a virusului prin infec\u0163ia natural\u0103 \u015fi de a-i proteja pe cei care au riscul cel mai mare. Numim asta Protec\u0163ia Concentrat\u0103.\u201d Scrisoarea celor trei exper\u0163i o pute\u0163i citi la acest <a href=\"https:\/\/unherd.com\/2020\/10\/covid-experts-there-is-another-way\/\">link<\/a>. \u00a0 <\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Trei \u00eentreb\u0103ri cu privire la situa\u0163ia din Rom\u00e2nia<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p> \u00cen ceea ce prive\u015fte cre\u015fterea num\u0103rului de cazuri, \u00eencercarea de a g\u0103si \u201evinova\u0163i de serviciu\u201d ar trebui precedat\u0103 de \u00eentreb\u0103ri despre ce au f\u0103cut guvernul \u015fi autorit\u0103\u0163ile \u00een aceste luni de pandemie. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1. Unul dintre cele mai de succes modele pentru oprirea pandemiei de coronavirus este Taiwanul. Cea mai important\u0103 m\u0103sur\u0103 luat\u0103 de Taiwan a fost \u00eenchiderea grani\u0163elor \u015fi carantinarea celor care intrau \u00een \u0163ar\u0103, pentru dou\u0103 s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2ni \u2013 l\u0103s\u00e2nd via\u0163a s\u0103 decurg\u0103 \u00een rest normal; detalii <a href=\"https:\/\/thediplomat.com\/2020\/09\/taiwans-covid-19-success-story-continues-as-neighbors-fend-off-new-outbreaks\/?fbclid=IwAR1setPM2WkfNJtkb11-VumVBD11Pa6JRiJGgjtOkbm9arOnVhV3ucfsY08\">aici<\/a>. Autorit\u0103\u0163ile din Taiwan au f\u0103cut asta \u00eenc\u0103 din luna ianuarie. La jum\u0103tatea lunii iulie, \u00een Taiwan se \u00eenregistraser\u0103, \u00een total, 451 de cazuri de Covid-19, \u015fi doar 7 mor\u0163i asocia\u0163i cu coronavirusul (!); mai multe detalii la acest <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=9e6Uikbh3vA&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;ab_channel=CBCNews%3ATheNational&amp;fbclid=IwAR32LOtujI36qFjqz9ZTsindtSmV2zUnQ01G_b43Zdq2kR-RIMEGCk32fbM\">link<\/a>. C\u00e2nd s-au luat m\u0103suri similare, \u00een Rom\u00e2nia, \u00een ceea ce prive\u015fte traficul la frontiere? C\u00e2nd s-a hot\u0103r\u00e2t (\u00een cele din urm\u0103) carantinarea celor care intrau \u00een \u0163ar\u0103? \u015ei cum a fost respectat\u0103 aceast\u0103 carantinare? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2. Una din m\u0103surile luate de Coreea de Sud foarte din timp a fost suplimentarea num\u0103rului de paturi ATI \u015fi construirea unor spitale de campanie, pentru a proteja spitalele normale \u2013 \u015fi pentru a nu avea de suferit pacien\u0163ii cu alte boli. Ce m\u0103suri s-au luat, \u00een Rom\u00e2nia, pentru suplimentarea num\u0103rului de paturi la ATI, \u00een cele nou\u0103 luni de c\u00e2nd dureaz\u0103 pandemia? Cu c\u00e2te paturi a crescut acest num\u0103r, dac\u0103 el a crescut? Celor care vor zice c\u0103 \u201etrebuie \u015fi medici pentru ATI, nu doar paturi\u201d, li se poate r\u0103spunde: solu\u0163ii exist\u0103, din moment ce sud-coreenii au reu\u015fit (mai multe detalii la acest <a href=\"https:\/\/ourworldindata.org\/covid-exemplar-south-korea?fbclid=IwAR0eIILy-iGZ6PDu4raOhq3AsvcG-hsieyXQSdwgpMI3GPThDWrMPuLS5UA\">link<\/a>). S-ar putea, de exemplu, tripla salariul medicilor voluntari la ATI, pentru trei luni sau \u015fase luni. Iar \u00eencep\u0103torii ar \u00eenv\u0103\u0163a de la seniori sau speciali\u015fti. A \u00eencercat cineva s\u0103 discute m\u0103car despre o astfel de m\u0103sur\u0103, \u00een at\u00e2ta amar de timp? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>3. C\u00e2t despre transformarea spitalelor din Rom\u00e2nia \u00een focare Covid sau pacien\u0163ii care au suferit \u015fi murit deoarece nu au avut acces la servicii medicale de baz\u0103 (pentru cancer, diabet, etc) \u2013 \u0163ine cineva m\u0103car socoteala acestor pacien\u0163i? Pe parcursul lunii septembrie, Rom\u00e2nia a avut una dintre cele mai mari rate de mortalitate Covid din Europa, \u015fi multe <a href=\"https:\/\/www.libertatea.ro\/stiri\/bolnavii-severi-covid-bacterii-spital-3039955\">articole din pres\u0103<\/a> au pus acest fapt pe seama tratamentului sau a infec\u0163iilor nosocomiale, \u015fi nu \u00een mod direct a Covidului. C\u00e2te vie\u0163i s-ar fi putut salva, c\u00e2te astfel de situa\u0163ii s-ar fi putut evita prin deschiderea din timp a unor spitale \u201ede campanie\u201d doar pentru Covid? Vorbe\u015fte cineva, chiar \u015fi acum, de o astfel de m\u0103sur\u0103? \u00a0 <\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-style-large is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201eOamenii sunt de vin\u0103\u201d? <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Nu mai vorbesc despre alte lucruri b\u0103t\u0103toare la ochi: ce sens are, de pild\u0103, s\u0103 \u00eenchizi teatrele \u015fi s\u0103lile de spectacol, dar s\u0103 la\u015fi <a href=\"https:\/\/stirileprotv.ro\/stiri\/actualitate\/salile-de-pacanele-raman-deschise-desi-teatrele-se-inchid-cati-bani-aduc-la-buget.html\">deschise p\u0103c\u0103nelele \u015fi cazinourile<\/a>? Cum se poate justifica, \u00een vreun fel, o astfel de m\u0103sur\u0103, din punct de vedere medical? (\u00eentre timp \u00een\u0163eleg c\u0103 s-au \u00eenchis \u015fi p\u0103c\u0103nelele; poate deoarece \u201eomisiunea\u201d \u00eei revoltase pe mul\u0163i, fiind prea s\u0103ritoare \u00een ochi?) <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pare cusut\u0103 cu a\u0163\u0103 alb\u0103 \u015fi \u201eapocalipsa\u201d covid post-alegeri. Oare cum au reu\u015fit \u201eautorit\u0103\u0163ile\u201d s\u0103 controleze propor\u0163iile pandemiei fix p\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een momentul alegerilor, asigur\u00e2nd pe toat\u0103 lumea c\u0103 nu exist\u0103 nici un pericol s\u0103 mergem cu mic, cu mare \u00een sec\u0163iile de votare? Inclusiv pensionarilor li se spunea c\u0103 pot merge la vot f\u0103r\u0103 s\u0103 existe, practic, vreun risc. \u015ei apoi, brusc, totul sare \u00een aer dup\u0103 ce se num\u0103r\u0103 voturile \u015fi se anun\u0163\u0103 rezultatele finale ale alegerilor? Eu sus\u0163in, f\u0103r\u0103 rezerve, dreptul democratic al oamenilor de a vota; \u00eens\u0103 foarte mul\u0163i \u00ee\u015fi pun \u00een aceste zile aceea\u015fi \u00eentrebare, care se leag\u0103 de atitudinea autorit\u0103\u0163ilor, \u015fi nu de dreptul de a vota. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Este cel pu\u0163in ciudat \u015fi faptul c\u0103 se folose\u015fte aceea\u015fi narativ\u0103 pe care am tot auzit-o \u00een cele nou\u0103 luni de pandemie: \u201eOamenii sunt de vin\u0103\u201d. De\u015fi putem vedea cu ochiul liber, c\u00e2nd vedem din cas\u0103, tot mai mul\u0163i copii cu masc\u0103 p\u00e2n\u0103 \u015fi \u00een aer liber, la locurile de joac\u0103 sau pe trambulinele din parc. \u00cen autobuz, la metrou, \u00een trenuri toat\u0103 lumea poart\u0103 masca \u00een mod regulamentar, de\u015fi chestiunea eficien\u0163ei protec\u0163iei oferite de m\u0103\u015fti \u00eempotriva viru\u015filor este \u00een continuare una foarte dezb\u0103tut\u0103 \u015fi contestat\u0103 inclusiv \u00een planul studiilor \u015ftiin\u0163ifice (un metastudiu de pe site-ul Center for Disease Control <a href=\"https:\/\/wwwnc.cdc.gov\/eid\/article\/26\/5\/19-0994_article\">aici<\/a>; alte studii \u015ftiin\u0163ifice \u00een <a href=\"https:\/\/bmjopen.bmj.com\/content\/5\/4\/e006577\">British Medical Journal<\/a>; la <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cambridge.org\/core\/journals\/epidemiology-and-infection\/article\/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review\/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05\">Cambridge Univeristy Press<\/a>; \u015fi un <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pmc\/articles\/PMC5779801\/\">meta-studiu<\/a> al International Society for Influenza and other Respiratory Virus Diseases; un studiu detaliat al unui profesor de la New York University la acest <a href=\"https:\/\/markcrispinmiller.com\/2020\/09\/masking-ourselves-to-death-part-1-of-3\/\">link<\/a>). A\u015fadar, la modul empiric, oricine iese din cas\u0103 \u015fi se uit\u0103 \u00een jur poate observa c\u0103 rom\u00e2nii respect\u0103 regulile, uneori chiar cu asupra de m\u0103sur\u0103. \u00a0 <\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Decizii bazate pe studii \u015fi fapte \u015ftiin\u0163ifice, sau pe simple opinii? <\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Cele trei \u00eentreb\u0103ri numerotate mai sus pornesc de la m\u0103surile luate de alte state l\u0103udate \u00een presa interna\u0163ional\u0103 pentru eficien\u0163a cu care au \u00eencetinit sau oprit pandemia Covid. Care, puctual, puteau fi aplicate, sau m\u0103car discutate la modul serios \u015fi \u00een Rom\u00e2nia. Ca s\u0103 nu m\u0103 \u00eentreb: vorbe\u015fte cineva, la nivelul autorit\u0103\u0163ilor, despre argumentele aduse \u00een articolul de mai sus din The Telegraph? Sau despre argumentele celor trei prestigio\u015fi profesori de la Harvard, Oxford \u015fi Stanford, care se opun m\u0103surilor arbitrare de carantinare general\u0103? Sau le bag\u0103 sub covor pe toate, catalog\u00e2ndu-le drept \u201econspira\u0163ionisme\u201d \u2013 \u00eenlocuind \u00een mare parte datele \u015ftiin\u0163ifice \u015fi discu\u0163ia \u015ftiin\u0163ific\u0103 cu simple opinii? \u015ei acoperind, convenabil, lipsa de coeren\u0163\u0103 \u015fi competen\u0163\u0103 cu atacarea unor \u201eoameni de paie\u201d \u015fi oportuni \u0163api isp\u0103\u015fitori?\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/adevarul.ro\/news\/societate\/cateva-intrebarisimple-autoritati-vina-populatia-nu-respectaregulile-1_5f7dc7e95163ec4271a8242e\/index.html\">Articolul original<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Raed Arafat, Guvernul \u015fi Comitetul pentru Situa\u0163ii de Urgen\u0163\u0103 ne avertizeaz\u0103 c\u0103 urmeaz\u0103 cel mai probabil noi m\u0103suri de lockdown, deocamdat\u0103 la nivel local. \u00cen timp ce autorit\u0103\u0163ile, o parte a presei \u015fi unii influenceri dau vina pe popula\u0163ia care nu ar respecta m\u0103surile de protec\u0163ie, pe \u201enega\u0163ioni\u015fti\u201d, Avocatul Poporului, chiar pe \u201ereligio\u015fi\u201d pentru cre\u015fterea num\u0103rului de cazuri Covid. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":8159,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[31,25],"tags":[1542,1498,382,1090,1527,64,1541],"class_list":["post-8158","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-altele-continut","category-medicina","tag-ati","tag-covid","tag-evolutie","tag-intrebari","tag-mortalitate","tag-romania","tag-sutdiu"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/site.noi3.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8158","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/site.noi3.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/site.noi3.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/site.noi3.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/site.noi3.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=8158"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/site.noi3.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8158\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8161,"href":"https:\/\/site.noi3.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8158\/revisions\/8161"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/site.noi3.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/8159"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/site.noi3.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=8158"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/site.noi3.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=8158"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/site.noi3.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=8158"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}